Senator FARRELL (South Australia—Minister for Trade and Tourism, Special Minister of State and Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:00): I thank the senator for her question and her interest in this topic, of course. The important thing, I think, about, particularly, the safeguards bill and the issue of ongoing supply of gas is that we are moving to transition out of fossil fuels and into renewable fuels. In fact, you'll have heard the Prime Minister say this week that he wants Australia to be a renewable energy superpower. The PRESIDENT: Minister Farrell, please resume your seat. Senator McDonald? Senator McDonald: On relevance—I'd specifically asked about whether or not Australia needs to increase its gas production. The PRESIDENT: I will direct the minister to your question. Minister Farrell. Senator FARRELL: The really difficult thing here is that you've got to ensure there's ongoing investment in gas production, particularly in this country, while you do that transition to renewables. Now, what might that transition look like? Well, it might be hydrogen. As you know, the South Australian government is leading the way— The PRESIDENT: Minister Farrell, please resume your seat. Senator McDonald? Senator McDonald: President, I don't have much time. Specifically, on relevance—does Australia need to increase its gas production? The PRESIDENT: The minister is being relevant to your question. Thank you, Minister Farrell. Senator FARRELL: If you could just let me finish what I'm talking about— Senator Hume: Waffle. Senator FARRELL: You might call it waffle, but it's an important issue because, to get that transition from fossil fuel to renewable fuel, we have to ensure that there's continued investment in coal and gas. It's the objective of this government to ensure that we— (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator McDonald, your first supplementary?