Senator FARRELL (South Australia—Minister for Trade and Tourism, Special Minister of State and Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:31): I thank Senator Pocock for his interest in this issue. He has gone through in some significant detail all of the scandals that beset the previous government. The budget for the ANAO is going to be the subject of budget discussions, and, of course, you'll know in a very short period of time what the budget position will be for all of these organisations. But I've had some dealings with the organisation, and we saw through the sports rorts organisation the good work that they did. Since coming to office, I've had responsibility, Senator Pocock, for the PEMS system. The PEMS system was supposed to computerise the way in which, for instance, our travel allowance payments were made. We discovered very quickly on coming to office— Senator David Pocock: Point of order on relevance, President. My question was about the ANAO, not the PEM system. The PRESIDENT: The minister has referred to the ANAO, but I'll remind him of your question. Senator FARRELL: If you'd let me finish my answer, Senator Pocock, the point of reference to the PEMS system is that I have asked the organisation to investigate why it is that a project that is meant to simplify and speed up the way in which these payments are made has not done that and continues to cost the Australian public million and millions of dollars. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Pocock, first supplementary?