Senator FARRELL (South Australia—Minister for Trade and Tourism, Special Minister of State and Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:20): I thank Senator Waters for her question. The issue of transitioning from a fossil fuel economy to a renewable economy, which is what we're talking about here, is not an easy transition. It's easy to say and it's easy to talk about— The PRESIDENT: Senator Farrell, please resume your seat. Senator Waters? Senator Waters: Thanks, President. I specifically asked about fossil fuel subsidies and when they're going to axe the $11 billion a year that they give in cheap diesel and accelerated depreciation to fossil fuel companies. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Waters. I will remind Senator Farrell of the question. Senator FARRELL: I thank Senator Waters for her intervention there. As I was saying, if there were an easy way to solve this problem, like simply abolishing the sorts of— The PRESIDENT: Minister Farrell, please assume your seat. Senator Birmingham. Senator Birmingham: If it would help Senator Farrell, Senator Watt has already ruled this change out from being in the budget— The PRESIDENT: Senator Birmingham, please, that's not a point of order! Minister Farrell, please continue. Senator Watt interjecting— Senator FARRELL: Yes. Look, can I— (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Waters, your second supplementary question.