Senator CASH (Western Australia—Minister for Employment, Skills, Small and Family Business) (14:48): Again, it is not how many casual employees will miss out; it is how many casual employees are actually included in the package. The PRESIDENT: On a point of order, Senator Wong? Senator Wong: Direct relevance. The PRESIDENT: I think, with respect, Senator Cash has been speaking for only 10 seconds. The question is not being answered necessarily in a way that people would like, but the turn of phrase I heard the minister using then was actually turning directly to JobKeeper—unless I misheard. So I am going to say that I consider it to be directly relevant. Senator Wong. Senator Wong: Mr President, the question was very simple, very precise and very pithy: 'How many casual employees will miss out on the JobKeeper program?' The minister then said: 'It's not a question of how many will miss out; it's a question of how many are in.' With respect, Mr President, it is not consistent with your previous rulings for you to rule on this occasion that such a complete mirror image of the question can possibly be directly relevant. The PRESIDENT: Senator Cormann. Senator Cormann: Senator Cash was directly dealing with the question about JobKeeper and, as Senator Wong well knows, the JobKeeper and jobseeker programs are complementary and there is an opportunity for everybody who needs support to receive that support. The PRESIDENT: On the point of order, we have always allowed ministers an element of time to turn to a question. This question, I remind the minister, was very specific in its nature. The minister has only been speaking for 10 seconds and I don't think had got quite to a full-stop. I am listening very carefully to the minister. I will happily entertain other points of order later on in the answer if people feel that way but at this stage I think it is inappropriate for me to rule that the minister is not being directly relevant. Senator Cash. Senator CASH: As I was saying, casuals are actually catered for if they have been in an employment relationship with their employer for longer than 12 months. In relation to the question asked by the senator, many casuals will still be in employment because there are a number of industries that are currently ramping up and recruiting. In terms of casuals, as the Minister for Finance has acknowledged, the JobKeeper and jobseeker programs are actually complementary. How many casuals are currently earning less than $1,500 a fortnight? More than 50 per cent. Around 41 per cent of casual employees had been with their employer for under 12 months as at August 2019 and they will not— (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Walsh, a final supplementary question?