Senator COLBECK (Tasmania—Minister for Aged Care and Senior Australians and Minister for Youth and Sport) (14:56): Clearly, as I've already said a number of times, the capacity constraints in the system for home care packages need to be addressed. That's why the government, on receiving the interim report from the royal commission—particularly the instruction from the royal commission that we needed to address waiting lists for home care packages—indicated that we would make further investments in that space. We want people to be able to access the care that they need when they need it. That's our objective. That's the whole purpose of why we're undertaking this process. Senator Wong: The point of order is on direct relevance. It's all very well for the minister to give expressions of sympathy, but he is the responsible minister, and the question is: how many Australians in rural and regional Australia are waiting more than 18 months? The PRESIDENT: On the point of order, this question had no preamble. The question sought a fact. I don't believe there were any terms in it that ministers could legitimately say were politically loaded. So I remind the minister of the specific nature of the question. Senator COLBECK: There are too many Australians who are waiting too long for home care packages, which is why the government has said it intends to invest further into this space. Senator O'Neill: Again, I have mentioned the context of regional, rural and remote areas. The minister hasn't even mentioned those words in his response, let alone come up with numbers. If he can't answer the question, a very specifically organised question, he should take it on notice and give us the actual data. The PRESIDENT: This question was specific, without a preamble and without loaded terminology and sought a fact. I'm going to ask the minister to turn to the specifics of the question. He has five seconds remaining to answer. Senator COLBECK: I don't have a specific number for rural and regional Australians with me, and I'm happy to take that on notice. The PRESIDENT: Senator O'Neill, a final supplementary question?