Senator REYNOLDS (Western Australia—Minister for Defence) (15:00): I thank the senator very much for that question. I have folders full of answers, but I don't have one on that in particular, so I'll take it on notice. Actually, I've just been passed those papers, so in fact I will now answer the question for Senator Chisholm—just in time! In relation to the Pacific labour mobility scheme, claims that the PLS is not meeting the targets are simply wrong. The PLS never had a target of 2,000 places in year one; 2,000 was originally the maximum cap on the number of places. The cap was removed as part of our Pacific step-up initiatives. The PLS is demand-driven and it fills positions when Australians cannot be found. The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Wong on a point of order. Senator Wong: It may be that the minister is getting to this, but I do ask her to consider the question. I appreciate she's only just been handed the brief, but the question actually went to how many workers have come to Australia under the labour scheme since July 2018. The PRESIDENT: You've reminded the minister of the latter part of the question. Senator REYNOLDS: I think I was being extremely relevant, because I was talking about the numbers and I was only 30 seconds into the answer. If I continue—and I thank Senator Wong for her extreme courtesy in this case—in relation to the numbers, Australia remains firmly committed to the growth of the Seasonal Worker Program and the new Pacific Labour Scheme. Experience from the Seasonal Worker Program indicate strong growth over time. Now in its 11th year, with over 12,000 workers in 2018-19, the program granted 56 visas in the first pilot year. Ten countries are now participating in both the Seasonal Worker Program and the Pacific Labour Scheme. There are workers from Fiji, Kiribati, Nauru, Papua New Guinea, Samoa, Solomon Islands, Timor-Leste, Tonga, Tuvalu and Vanuatu. The program has achieved an average annual growth rate of over 40 per cent since 2012. The Pacific Labour Scheme has processed and approved 50 employers in the first year of operation. So that program has 50 employers in two years of operation, following a four-year pilot. The PRESIDENT: Senator Chisholm, a supplementary question.