Senator RUSTON (South Australia—Minister for Families and Social Services and Manager of Government Business in the Senate) (14:14): I thank the senator for her question, but in a sense I reject the premise of her question. The details you're asking, on specifics, I'm happy to take on notice. But I would point out to those in this chamber that as the minister responsible for social services and as the minister responsible for the welfare system in Australia, I have an obligation to make sure that we have a sustainable welfare system into the future, and that's exactly what I'm doing. The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong on a point of order. Senator Wong: The point of order is on direct relevance. The minister was actually asked, as the Minister representing the Minister for Government Services, a direct question about numbers of families. I appreciate that she wants to talk about her own portfolio, but she is being asked a question in her representative portfolio. The PRESIDENT: You've reminded the minister of the question. I'm listening carefully. Minister, you have a minute and 30 seconds remaining to answer, but I do remind you of the very specific nature of the question. Senator RUSTON: Thank you, Mr President, and I would draw your attention to the fact in standing, because I am not the Minister for Government Services, that I do not have the exact information the senator is asking for at hand, and I have offered to take that on notice for the senator. I was merely pointing out that as the Minister for social services I have a certain role, and that's what I was explaining. The PRESIDENT: Senator McAllister, a supplementary question.