Senator RUSTON (South Australia—Minister for Families and Social Services and Manager of Government Business in the Senate) (14:18): I will return to finishing off my previous answer in relation to what occurs at the end of a— The PRESIDENT: Senator McAllister? Senator McAllister: I would ask you to ask the minister to go to relevance. In particular, we are not asking about general commitments to debt; we are asking about the specific means and specifically whether or not the balancing process is the same thing as the robodebt program. The PRESIDENT: You've reminded the minister of the question. I remind the minister: while it does occasionally happen, you can't continue your previous answer after a supplementary question. But the minister has been speaking for only nine seconds. I will listen carefully to the remainder of her answer. Senator RUSTON: In relation to the process in which we determine whether somebody has been overpaid in relation to childcare payments: it is a process that's undertaken through the tax system. If you have any further details that Minister Robert may want to add to your particular question, I'm more than happy to provide those for you. However, I would point out to you that the Australian public have an expectation that, where anybody has been paid more than they were entitled to, the Australian government has an obligation on behalf of the taxpayers to make sure that that is recovered.