Senator CORMANN (Western Australia—Minister for Finance and the Public Service, Vice-President of the Executive Council and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (15:03): The first point I would make to Senator Brown is that, on his last visit to Western Australia, Mr Shorten said to the people of Western Australia that he was now on a unity ticket with Mr Morrison, that he was going to put an end to the argy-bargy between Liberal and Labor nationally and that he supported our plan. The PRESIDENT: Senator Brown on a point of order. Senator Carol Brown: My point of order is relevance. I asked about the Liberal treasurers of New South Wales, South Australia and Tasmania. It was a very straightforward question and I would appreciate an answer. The PRESIDENT: The minister has 39 seconds remaining. Senator CORMANN: As I've already indicated to the chamber, we're actually doing one better than what Senator Brown is asking. We're making sure every state is not just 'not worse off', but better off. What we don't think is sensible is to run, in perpetuity, two systems in parallel—to continue to run the old formula at the same time as the new formula—when every state, self-evidently, is going to be better off on our numbers and on the numbers of the states. I ask that further questions be placed on the Notice Paper.