Senator CORMANN (Western Australia—Minister for Finance and the Public Service, Vice-President of the Executive Council and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:22): I thank Senator Di Natale for that question. Firstly, it is a matter of fact that coal is, and will continue to be, an important energy source for Australia and, indeed, for many countries around the world. What our government supports is effective action on climate change in a way that doesn't gratuitously harm Australian families. What I would say to Senator Di Natale is that Australia has a proud track record when it comes to making our contribution to addressing climate change in a sensible fashion. Indeed, we not only met but actually exceeded our commitment under the first Kyoto target by 128 million tonnes. We are on track to beat our 2020 Kyoto target by 294 million tonnes. Australia's abatement task to reach our Kyoto 2 target has fallen from the 755 million tonnes estimated by Labor in 2012 to beating it by 294 million tonnes under our government. And we can absolutely meet our Paris 2030 target, with no impact on electricity prices, supported by our policies and technology change. Our policies include the Emissions Reduction Fund and safeguard mechanism. Honourable senators interjecting— Senator CORMANN: Look at our track record. The Australian people understand that we can do both. We can do the right thing by the environment in a way that is also responsible economically. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order on my left! Senator Whish-Wilson! Senator CORMANN: We can do the right thing by the environment in a way that is economically sensible, that doesn't gratuitously harm families around Australia. We want families around Australia to continue to have the best possible opportunity to get ahead, for the economy to be strong, for more jobs to be created, for electricity to remain affordable—and we want to also ensure that we make our contributions to emissions reductions. The PRESIDENT: Senator Di Natale, a supplementary question.