Senator FIFIELD (Victoria—Manager of Government Business in the Senate and Minister for Communications and the Arts) (14:02): Thank you, Senator Wong. I do not know what was in the mind of Mr Milne. I can't put myself in someone else's mind. It's not something I've yet been able to achieve. But let me make absolutely clear that this government has never linked ABC funding or ABC budget measures and editorial matters at the ABC. The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong, on a point of order. Senator Wong: The point of order is relevance. The question is: what did the minister say? I didn't ask what Mr Milne thought; that is on the public record. What did the minister say that left Mr Milne with that impression so that he undertook the action which he did, which was to seek the sacking of a journalist? The PRESIDENT: On the point of order, I think the minister is being directly relevant to the question asked. Senator FIFIELD: I'm very happy to give Senator Wong a flavour of the discussion. No media organisation is perfect. All media organisations should continually strive to be their best selves, including the ABC. The former Prime Minister has said privately the same as he has said publicly, as have I, which was that concerns about the ABC don't relate to bias. They relate to factual errors, and the ABC should always seek to be— (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong, a final supplementary question.