Senator CASH (Western Australia—Minister for Jobs and Innovation) (14:58): As per the legal services direction—and Senator Wong would know this from her time as a minister—ministers may receive legal assistance when matters arise relating to their duties as a minister. That is what is occurring, and I'm following the process. The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong, on a point of order. Senator Wong: The point of order is on direct relevance. The question was: who is acting for the minister and what is the estimated cost? It was not a question about the order. The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong, I apologise: I was in consultation with another senator for the 11 seconds of the minister's answer; I will listen carefully to the next 49. Senator CASH: In relation to the estimate, I will take that on notice. Senator Cameron: Why don't you just be honest? The PRESIDENT: Senator Cameron, Senator Watt is on his feet.