Senator CORMANN (Western Australia—Minister for Finance) (14:23): Senator Milne asks me about a drag on the budget. I can tell you what is a drag on the budget, and that is the Greens position to oppose regular indexation of the fuel excise—a $2.2 billion drag over the forward estimates. This is the position of the leader of the Greens. The leader of the Greens would rather big oil manufacturers and importers have $2.2 billion to play with, rather than to ensure that it helps us put our budget on a sustainable trajectory for the future. Here we have a leader of the Greens who is trying to talk about sustainability and drags on the budget— The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock. You have a point of order, Senator Whish-Wilson. Senator Whish-Wilson: Mr President, I rise on a point of order on relevance. The question, specifically, was: where is the modelling of this policy in the document? The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Whish-Wilson. Minister, I will remind you of the question; you have 24 seconds in which to answer. Senator CORMANN: Senator Milne asks me about elements that are causing a drag on the budget and have environmental relevance. I would have thought that Senator Milne's current policy of fighting for regular reductions in the real value of the excise on fuel is a drag on both the environment and the budget. Surely, if Senator Milne really believed what she was saying, she would join with the coalition in passing that measure. (Time expired)