Senator CORMANN (Western Australia—Minister for Finance) (14:20): I would say firstly that we do cover climate change in the Intergenerational report, and the point that we make is that we are taking effective action on climate change. I will read it out to you: 'Australia will meet its Kyoto target for 2020'—without a carbon tax! We are meeting it without a carbon tax. And we will join with the international community to establish post-2020 targets— The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock. Senator Milne: Mr President, a point of order: the minister is insulting our intelligence. I asked for the cost on economic sustainability. The PRESIDENT: Your question was a little bit more broad than that, and the minister has been addressing the content of your question. Senator CORMANN: The reality is this: Senator Milne and I will never agree on the right way to deal with climate change. Those of us on this side believe in strong economic outcomes and strong environmental outcomes, and we believe that those objective are actually complementary, not contradictory. That is what we are working on. We are taking effective action, through the Direct Action policy, which was generously endorsed by this Senate. We are very confident that we will be meeting the bipartisan emissions reduction target by 2020 and, in an orderly and methodical fashion, Ministers Bishop and Hunt will engage with our international partners in Paris later this year, and there will be a conversation about the best way forward beyond 2020. That is the right way to go about it. Senator Milne interjecting— Senator Cameron: 'Orderly and methodical'—what a joke. Senator CORMANN: We did deal with the issue in the Intergenerational report. By the looks of it, and listening to the interjection, it appears that we did not deal with it to Senator Milne's satisfaction. But I suspect there is nothing we could have done responsibly—focusing on the national interest and focusing on what needs to be done to keep the economy strong and growing—to satisfy Senator Milne's aspirations. To be frank—given that Senator Milne is the leader of the Greens who stands for lower taxes on fuel and windfall gains for big oil producers and importers; given her record—she has no credibility on this anyway. (Time expired)