Payne, Sen Marise

Senator PAYNE (New South Wales—Minister for Human Services) (14:19): I think the Senator is quite right: I think those in this chamber should start a conversation with those in the sector who supported the reform. I think that would be a very good place to start—the people who actually run universities and colleges in this country, the people who run TAFEs and who run institutes which would allow tens of thousands more students to receive a higher education which they are currently not able to do with Commonwealth support. That is the sort of conversation you should be having. You are exactly right.