Senator JOHNSTON (Western Australia—Minister for Defence) (14:02): I love the learned Senator quoting the ASPI. On what you delivered in terms of the Defence budget— Senator Kim Carr: How learned are you? The PRESIDENT: Order, Senator Carr. Senator JOHNSTON: whilst you had custody of it, they said it was an unsustainable mess that was moving to a crisis. That is what you delivered. I have said, and we will stick to this, that there will be the traditional Kinnaird first and second pass process for this important acquisition. That is the standard operating procedure for complex capability acquisition. That is what we will do, that is what everyone expects we will do and that is the way forward.