Senator PAYNE (New South Wales—Minister for Human Services) (14:16): It has been confusing for many years having both Payne and Pyne in the parliamentary Liberal Party. I always used to say his family couldn't afford the vowel! The senator's question in relation to the legislation really seems to me to miss the essential point of the government's proposals in relation to higher education. It is a reform bill. Reform is the purpose of the legislation. Many of the stakeholders who have participated in the debate over the recent many months that it has continued have expressed their disappointment today with the result of yesterday's vote. Senator Kim Carr: Not to me they haven't; they're delighted. Senator PAYNE: They have expressed their disappointment today in press statements, in media interviews and in a number of other contexts. Perhaps they do not waste their time with someone who is not even prepared to entertain an intelligent argument. I do not know. Senator Kim Carr: What are the students saying? What is the public saying? The PRESIDENT: Senator Carr, cease interjecting. Senator PAYNE: What the stakeholders are saying—which has been continually ignored by those opposite—whether it is the regional universities, the network of innovative Australian universities, ACPET, CofFEE or the Group of Eight, all of those key operators of the higher education system in this country have expressed their disappointment with the result of yesterday. What the government is committed to and continues to be committed to is giving greater opportunities to students—students that those opposite in particular have turned their back on, students who might want to study diplomas and receive Commonwealth support for doing it, students who might want to engage in a far greater range of courses than they are currently able to and receive Commonwealth support for doing it. (Time expired)