Senator LUNDY (Australian Capital Territory) (14:10): My question is to the Minister for Defence, Senator Johnston. I refer the minister to a petition signed by more than 60,000 people calling on the government to improve its unfair pay deal for Australian Defence Force personnel. Is the minister aware of a recent meeting between the petitioners and his junior minister in which Mr Robert insulted the organisers, comparing their petition for a fair deal on ADF pay to a petition that called for cheaper beer? Does the minister think that this is an appropriate way for his junior minister to behave?