Senator PAYNE (New South Wales—Minister for Human Services) (14:42): The Greens are calling for a green paper. There's a surprise! What we will have in this process is increasing higher education spending in this country. It will go up. Let me say that that is in stark contrast to Labor's $6.6 billion worth of cuts over almost 18 months, I think, at one stage. If Senator Rhiannon is so interested in polls, let me refer to a poll—a survey of more than 1,200 people across the country—commissioned by Universities Australia, which said that 56 per cent of Australians would support the deregulation of universities if the bill proceeded with amendments. We have indicated that that is the view of Universities Australia. Senator Rhiannon: Mr President, I rise on a point of order. I draw your attention to standing order 194: A senator shall not digress from the subject matter of any question under discussion … There was a clear question there about the green paper. Surely it should be answered. The PRESIDENT: There were two elements to your question. You asked, 'Are you aware …' in the first part of your question and then you asked about consultation and why the government didn't issue a green paper. The minister has been relevant. She has 10 seconds to go. Senator PAYNE: In that 10 seconds let me say that the government looks forward to constructive and positive debate on the legislation when it next comes before the chamber, because the support the government is receiving from the sector is the most relevant— (Time expired)