Senator JOHNSTON (Western Australia—Minister for Defence) (14:25): I have spent a lot of time with a lot of people, Senator Conroy, and when they talk about your performance in Senate estimates they are clearly indicating a huge degree of disappointment: no questions about submarines, a cursory question about defence, even though people out there are coaching you. I have to tell you, you need to do a lot better. The PRESIDENT: Direct your comments to the chair, Senator Johnston. Have you concluded your answer, Minister? Senator Moore: Mr President, I was on my feet before Minister Johnston— The PRESIDENT: Senator Moore, a point of order? Senator Moore: Mr President, I was on my feet before the minister completed his answer, and my point of order is just to say that the minister got nowhere near the question and that there is no apology to the RSL on record.