Senator JOHNSTON (Western Australia—Minister for Defence) (14:00): That is a very good question. I have an enormous amount of respect for Dr White. Indeed, we used him to do a report into the mess that was left to us by the former Labor government with respect to frigates being several hundred million dollars over budget and several years late. The only real authority in Australia as to where we are at with submarines is inside the defence department. If the Labor Party had done its homework and read and studied what Admiral Moffitt, who was in charge of the program, has been saying for the last several years, it would know the timing is crystal clear. For six years, Labor had done nothing. Indeed, I said this on 8 May 2013. I said this in a number of statements. I said that if the two options left behind by Minister Smith, the son of Collins option and the bespoke Australian design, were real and not fantasies then we would accept the minister at his word. But I have a copy of Labor's submarine design here. Senator Moore: Mr President, I rise on a point of order on direct relevance to the question. The question relates to a statement made by Dr John White. The question was about that statement and also the claims about the reasons why the Australian submarines cannot be built here. The PRESIDENT: Senator Johnston has been addressing the points of the question that was asked by Senator Wong. Senator JOHNSTON: Having spent some time personally on this subject, I have a copy of Labor's submarine design after six years in government. Let me show it to the chamber. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Minister, that was disorderly. Senator Johnston, I remind you and all ministers that in answering questions you are not allowed to use props or information like that. You have eight seconds left to complete your answer. Senator JOHNSTON: It is only a paper design. I have copies to distribute. I would not mind tabling it but I am not sure it is going to take— (Time expired)