Senator FIFIELD (Victoria—Manager of Government Business in the Senate and Assistant Minister for Social Services) (15:01): I should indicate at the outset that I do not accept at face value any proposition put forward by those opposite. Senator Wong: Was it a promise or was it a lie? Senator Ian Macdonald interjecting— Senator Conroy interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Macdonald and Senator Conroy. Senator Wong interjecting— Senator Kim Carr interjecting— Senator FIFIELD: I am talking about her comments in relation to South Australia. As I said, I do not accept at face value propositions put forward by those opposite in relation to operational matters of the ABC. How the board of the ABC responds to, and decides to implement, efficiencies is a matter for the board of the ABC. The decisions that the ABC will take are a matter for the board and the management. Again, I come back to the proposition: are those opposite seriously suggesting that the ABC should be less efficient than they are able to be?