Senator ABETZ (Tasmania—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service and Minister for Employment) (14:49): What I sought to do was to clarify that the premise of the senator's question is false because they do not pay for their university degrees; they pay afterwards, after they receive a salary of $50,000 per annum. Senator Moore: Mr President, I rise on a point of order, again, on direct relevance. Allowing for the minister's argument, the question was quite clear about the volume of 50 per cent. It is not about what the payment is for and it is not about how you define payment; it is about the quantum of 50 per cent. The PRESIDENT: The question also included how many other universities and that was at the commencement of the question. The minister has 13 seconds left to answer the question. I remind him of the question.