Senator WONG (South Australia—Leader of the Opposition in the Senate) (14:03): Mr President, I ask a supplementary question. General Cosgrove then went on to say in the same article: There is nothing to be gained and everything to lose by dealing ourselves out of an industry we have spent 25 years building. The best investment return for the Australian taxpayer is to continuously build and maintain our own fleet of submarines. Was General Cosgrove correct? Senator Conroy: Who said that? General Cosgrove? Senator Sterle: Your mate Cosgrove, Senator Johnston.