Senator PAYNE (New South Wales—Minister for Human Services) (14:48): I thank Senator Carr for his question. I do not have the specific figures with me on that matter. But I remind the senator that, as I said to the chamber yesterday, the Vice-Chancellor of the University of Wollongong, the Vice-Chancellor of CQ in Queensland, the former Vice-Chancellor of the University of New England—all of those individuals running regional universities in this country, just for starters— Senator Lines: They all love it. Shame about the students. Senator PAYNE: let alone those that the senator abhors so much apparently—the Group of Eight. All of those vice-chancellors put on the record their support for this government's reforms. They support the opening up of competition in the university environment and they support the minister's proposals. All of those individuals are on the record in this chamber yesterday. I am sure the attendants could assist the senator with a copy of the Hansard.