Senator ABETZ (Tasmania—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service and Minister for Employment) (14:13): As I have said on a number of occasions in this place, we as a government believe that the wages that are set in the Australian workplace relations environment should not be determined by the government but by the Fair Work Commission in the absence of workers and employers being able to come together in an enterprise agreement. What the Labor Party have not been able to explain to the attendants, to the security guards and to the grounds maintenance staff is why they did not intervene in relation to their wages. Don't those on that side believe that the Fair Work Commission provides a sufficient safety net and a sufficient level of wages for these workers? The real reason that the Australian Labor Party is so interested in this matter is that these so-called guidelines, designed allegedly to protect workers, were more designed to protect trade unions, because the guidelines required these things: employees had to be provided with information about joining a union by union officials. It was also a requirement that union delegates attend all staff inductions and scheduled employee meetings— Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock. Order on my left! You have your Manager of Opposition Business in the Senate waiting to be heard. Senator Moore: Mr President, again, my point of order is on direct relevance. The specific question, the only question in the question, was whether the minister was aware of the departmental advice about savings before he gave his answer yesterday. The PRESIDENT: Senator Moore, you are correct. That was the question, but there was also an allegation against the minister in that question, in the preamble. Minister, you are being directly relevant and you are responding to the allegations raised in the question. Minister, you have the call.