Senator PAYNE (New South Wales—Minister for Human Services) (14:42): I know it has been a while since estimates, at least only a week. I think Senator McKenzie was in estimates, and I think Senator McKenzie is in the Nationals. As I always say, some of my best friends are Nationals. It is something from which I will absolutely not resile. I was speaking to the Minister for Agriculture, Minister Joyce, when he was in Tamboa at a drought relief event recently. I spoke to him personally. If that answers the senator's questions, I hope that is helpful but— Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Payne, resume your seat. You are entitled to be heard in silence. If senators wish to debate it, the time is after three o'clock. Senator PAYNE: I was saying that of course I have regular communications with all of my colleagues in the strong and healthy coalition that we are. Senator McKenzie asks me questions in the chamber. We are as one on this issue. Thank you, Senator, for the question.