Senator SIEWERT (Western Australia—Australian Greens Whip) (14:32): Mr President, I ask a supplementary question. I think I can take from that answer that, yes, pregnant women and families will be caught up under that measure. Can the minister confirm that people who have been denied income payments on the so-called Newstart nil payment will be required to apply for 40 jobs per month? How will they do this on no income—for example, how will they be able to afford the phone calls—and what penalty will apply if they do not apply for 40 jobs per month?