Senator KIM CARR (Victoria) (14:39): Mr President, I rise to ask a supplementary question. I thank the minister, who cannot find one vice-chancellor that supports the package now. Why is the government cutting funding to courses that would see fees for a degree in agricultural science increase by over 48 per cent while negotiating trade agreements that require an increase in agricultural production? Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! When there is silence on both sides, I will call the minister.