Senator KIM CARR (Victoria) (14:41): Mr President, I rise to ask a further supplementary question. Given that the cost of a university degree in agricultural science may well increase by 48 per cent, has the minister spoken with members of the Nationals or indeed had any consultation with the Minister for Agriculture given the deleterious impact the government's proposals will have for higher education for regional universities and for regional students? Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! When there is silence on both sides, we will proceed.