Senator PAYNE (New South Wales—Minister for Human Services) (14:26): I think that what is very important to note is that, in a competitive market, some prices go up and some prices go down. And we can be confident that some prices will go down because, for the first time ever, the Commonwealth will be supporting all students in all undergraduate courses, from higher education diplomas to bachelor degrees. With 80,000 more students funded for the first time, fees must go down. Competition between universities and colleges is also going to help to prevent fees from rising excessively. We will also, of course, as I mentioned earlier, have our universities and colleges being required to spend one dollar in every five dollars of additional revenue on Commonwealth scholarships which will provide support to disadvantaged students. This is a major equity program. The opportunities that will be available to disadvantaged students— (Time expired) Senator Conroy interjecting— Senator Brandis interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senators Brandis and Conroy, it would assist the conduct of business in the chamber if your discussion was held outside.