Senator JOHNSTON (Western Australia—Minister for Defence) (15:41): The most important finding of the Australian Strategic Policy Institute in its examination of successive Labor budgets was that the former government had reduced the defence department's budget to an 'unsustainable mass'. That is the legacy that I have inherited from you fellows—an unsustainable mass. Senator Moore: Mr President, I raise a point of order on relevance. The minister has completed half of his answer and it has not got to the specific question about the government's commitment. The PRESIDENT: The minister is addressing the question and the minister still does have 23 seconds remaining. Senator JOHNSTON: This is the issue with the Labor Party in government: 'We're going to have Joint Strike Fighters, we're going to have submarines, we're going to have rockets to the moon—but please don't mention the dollars because we've got none. We don't ever want to talk about the dollars because we're interested in the photo opportunities, not the actual substance of the portfolio.' (Time expired)