Senator RONALDSON (Victoria—Minister for Veterans' Affairs, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Centenary of ANZAC and Special Minister of State) (15:04): I am unaware of whether the Prime Minister has met with them. That is a question that the Minister representing the Prime Minister might be able to answer. What I do know is that Minister Macfarlane met on a number of occasions with Holden. I understand, indeed, Minister Macfarlane will be meeting with Toyota. But I suppose the real question here is: did Senator Carr, when he was the industry minister, speak to Holden prior to the cabinet meeting on 16 July, when he imposed a $1.8 billion slug on the automotive industry with the FBT? Did he indeed go to the industry and say, 'I am reducing or slashing the green innovation fund'? Did he go back and discuss any of his $1.5 billion reductions with those companies? (Time expired)