Senator RONALDSON (Victoria—Minister for Veterans' Affairs, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Centenary of ANZAC and Special Minister of State) (15:05): The shadow minister asks me what I knew. I am happy to go through that with him. The last two years, when he was industry minister most of the time, had $1.2 billion in funding reduced from— Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! It does help me when people get to their feet for a point of order if they make the statement that they are seeking a point of order. That is the normal way in which people seek a point of order. Otherwise, my attention is distracted by other issues that are going on in the chamber, and I cannot have my eyes everywhere. Senator Moore: Mr President, my point of order is on relevance. The question referred to the government making a decision. The minister began his answer by not even going close to what the question was, so I was just a little bit concerned about where we are going with the relevance. The relevant question, Minister, was before you. The PRESIDENT: Order! Minister, I draw your attention to the question. The minister does have 40 seconds remaining to address the question. Senator RONALDSON: Thank you, Mr President. I am not too sure what the Manager of Opposition Business missed in all that, but I was asked what I knew about these matters in relation to the industry by Senator Carr, and I invite you to check the Hansard. What I do know is that under Minister Carr's watch Ford withdrew from Australia, and I do know that under his watch Mitsubishi withdrew from Australia. Senator Wong: Mr President, on a point of order on relevance, the question was: did the government make a decision on Holden's business case before the government launched its attack on the company and before the Acting Prime Minister wrote to the company demanding an immediate decision on its future? It is a very important question as to whether this government in fact even determined how much assistance it would or would not provide to Holden before it demanded that it close. I ask that you return the minister to the question. The PRESIDENT: Order! I have ruled on a previous point of order where I drew the minister's attention to the question—that the minister should address the question. The minister needs to address the question, with 19 seconds remaining. Senator RONALDSON: Thank you, Mr President. I am terribly sorry if it was not implicit in my initial answer that I did not accept the premise, and I suppose I should have said so. But what I do know is that under Minister Carr, on 16 July this year, he went to a cabinet meeting and let down the workers of this country. (Time expired)