Senator BOB CARR (New South Wales—Minister for Foreign Affairs) (14:21): Any reasonable observer of the proceedings this afternoon in the Senate could well ask: is that the view of the coalition? Is the view that there should be no engagement with the Palestinians, even the Palestinian Authority, now the view of the coalition in Australia? Is the view they have taken that the Palestinian Authority—not Hamas, not Gaza, but Ramallah—should be dismissed? That way lies no prospect of a two-state solution. He is bewildered by the notion of observer status. The resolution before the Senate would lift the status of the Palestinian delegation from 'other entity' to 'observer status'. Senator Joyce: Mr President, I have a point of order on relevance. The question asked, 'Do you concur with the views of Mahmoud Abbas that they destroy the State of Israel?' The PRESIDENT: Order! There is no point of order. The minister has 17 seconds remaining. Senator BOB CARR: What does the senator want? The fact is that this government's position—restated last week, restated at every opportunity since 2007 and restated by the Prime Minister in question time in another place—has been that it remains a supporter of a two-state solution with a secure Israel— (Time expired)