Senator BOB CARR (New South Wales—Minister for Foreign Affairs) (14:10): There is no unfair treatment because we have accepted the recommendation that aligned indexation arrangements for all Commonwealth schemes with the age pension. They will receive an immediate increase. We accepted the recommendation of CPI indexation. The contrast with when they were in government was that they never accepted that principle. It has been accepted under this government. The PRESIDENT: Minister, you do need to come to the question. Senator BOB CARR: Some commentators have noted statements by the Australian Bureau of Statistics in 2005 that 'the CPI is not a purchasing power or cost-of-living measure'. But in their subsequent paper, for the Matthews review in 2008, the ABS stated explicitly— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Bob Carr, resume your seat. Senator Ronaldson: Mr President, my point of order is in relation to standing order 168(1) and I ask the minister to table the document that he is reading from. Senator Jacinta Collins: Mr President, on the point of order. The minister is not referring to a document in any way relevant to that standing order. He is not reading it; he is referring to some elements of the material across a range of documents and the standing order does not apply. The PRESIDENT: There is no point of order. There needs to be a motion if that is the path you wish to proceed down, Senator Ronaldson. Senator BOB CARR: On 14 June over 310,000 members of the veteran community— (Time expired)