Senator RONALDSON (Victoria) (14:00): My question is to the minister representing both the Minister for Defence and the Minister for Veterans' Affairs and Minister for Defence Science and Personnel, Senator Bob Carr. Given that it is two years to the day since the coalition committed to the fair indexation of DFRB and DFRDB military superannuation pensions, and three days from the toxic carbon tax starting, can the minister explain how much compensation a DFRDB military superannuant receiving the average annual pension payment of $24,386 will receive for the effects of the government's toxic carbon tax, a tax which is based on a lie? The PRESIDENT: I must have an old sheet. I have an old listing; my apologies for that. I call the Minister representing the Minister for Defence, the Minister for Defence Materiel and the Minister for Veterans' Affairs and Minister for Defence Science and Personnel, Senator Bob Carr. Senator Chris Evans: Mr President, on a point of order: I understand that Senator Carr is representing the Minister for Defence, but I believe that if it is a question relating to defence superannuation then Senator Wong is the best placed minister to respond. But obviously that— Opposition senators interjecting — Senator Chris Evans: I am just trying to assist the Senate. If Senator Ronaldson would prefer Senator Carr to answer the question, that is fine. If the senator is after information, I think Senator Wong is best placed to answer the question. If not, that is fine. The PRESIDENT: I must say that the sheet I had before me is why I was a bit confused. The sheet that I now have before me, from today's Notice Paper, tells me that the Minister representing the Minister for Defence, the Minister for Veterans' Affairs and Minister for Defence Science Personnel, and the Minister for Defence Materiel is Senator Bob Carr.