Senator CORMANN (Western Australia) (14:07): Mr President, I ask a further supplementary question. Is the minister aware that, once the coalition had paid off $96 billion of Hawke-Keating Labor debt, the government actually received net interest payments instead of having to pay $29 billion in net interest? Isn't this another stark demonstration that Labor does not know how to manage money and that it always comes down to the coalition to fix up Labor's fiscal mess?