Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Finance and Deregulation) (14:19): The senator talks about eminent economists. There are no economists, eminent or otherwise, who support his policy so he might be better off considering why it is that no economists support his policy? It is probably not a question he wants to answer or think about. Senator Cormann: Mr President, I raise a point of order in relation to the requirement for the minister to be directly relevant. I asked very specifically why certain information was not available when Treasury, in evidence to a Senate committee, said it was. The minister is giving us a lecture about something that is completely unrelated. The PRESIDENT: There is no point of order. The minister has 40 seconds remaining. Senator WONG: It is unsurprising that the opposition is so sensitive to the fact that no eminent economist or non-eminent economist supports its policy. It is unsurprising that it is embarrassed about the fact that its policy does not add up. It is unsurprising that it is embarrassed about the fact that its policy is predicated on ensuring that the pension increases are wound back. It is unsurprising that the opposition is embarrassed by the fact that its economic team, of which I understand Senator Cormann is a member, has never got their costings right, never got their numbers right and has a $70 billion black hole. We have put out an extraordinary amount of modelling and an extraordinary amount of material. It shows we can grow our economy and cut pollution. (Time expired)