Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Finance and Deregulation) (14:50): First, in relation to unemployment, I assume that the senator would acknowledge the relatively low unemployment we have in Australia. I would hope he would acknowledge that it is in great part due to the actions taken by this government, opposed by those opposite, to stave off a recession—action which was opposed by those opposite and which ensured that some 200,000 Australians who would have been on the dole queues are not but are in work. This government have created 730,000 jobs since we came to government, the effect of which can be seen by looking at where the American unemployment rate is and where ours is. We entered the global financial crisis with around the same rate of unemployment; we have exited this period with an unemployment rate with a five in front of it, as opposed to a nine. In relation to the impact, essentially I think the question comes down to the impact on jobs in— Senator Joyce: Mr President, I rise on a point of order on relevance. There was only one question: can the minister provide the name of one person with a green job in regional Australia? That is all she has to do. It could take precisely five seconds. Senator Ludwig: Mr President, on the point of order: again, all we see from the opposition is an opportunity to restate the question. The minister is answering the question and she is being directly relevant to the question, but again we see the second tier, where they simply suggest what the answer is in the question. The minister is answering the question. The PRESIDENT: Order! I am listening closely to the minister's response. The minister has 50 seconds remaining and she should be addressing the question. Senator WONG: I would make the point, Mr President, that there are a number of programs under the clean energy package including, for example, the carbon farming package, the coal sectors job package and the $9.2 billion jobs and competitiveness program, which will support employment and new jobs across the economy. I would also make the point that there are, as Senator Joyce would probably be aware, a great many renewable energy projects which actually are— Opposition senators interjecting— Senator WONG: How could that not be relevant? Senator Conroy: He's up again. He's a clown! Senator Joyce: Mr President, on a point of order that is absolutely one of relevance. I know that Senator Conroy is embarrassed by the fact that they cannot answer the question, but we just want the name of one person with a green job: Bill Smith, Pam Jones, Penny Wong, I do not know, someone out there who has got one of these jobs. The PRESIDENT: There is no point of order. Senator WONG: I was making the point that there are a great many renewal projects which are in fact situated in regional Australia—the geothermal projects in my home state of South Australia being one example. They are not in the CBD; they are in northern South Australia. (Time expired)