Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Finance and Deregulation) (14:21): The government's legislation and Clean Energy Future package are effective action on climate change for the same reasons that John Howard's promise to price carbon— Senator Brandis: Mr Howard to you. He was a serious Prime Minister. Senator WONG: And you call me precious, Senator Brandis. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order, on both sides! Senator WONG: One thing I would say about Mr Howard is that he did not ever have an economic team that presented a $70 billion black hole, which is what you are presenting. So if Senator Brandis wants to defend John Howard, perhaps he should start to look at his own team. I also make the point that, as the Treasury's modelling shows, we can price carbon, grow our economy, increase jobs, increase our incomes and reduce emissions; unlike the opposition's policy, which will double the cost for Australian business to achieve the same outcome. (Time expired)