Senator CARR (Victoria—Minister for Innovation, Industry, Science and Research) (14:37): What we can say with certainty is that 95 per cent of the people who were resettled from Nauru ended up in Australia or New Zealand and that the Nauru option was not ever likely to succeed. We also know, especially now, given the circumstances that have arisen and given the historical experience of Nauru, that it is not likely to succeed in the future. Nauru is a model which the government has rejected, and we believe firmly in the proposition that the government has advanced that Malaysia is a successful proposition. That is clearly why the opposition is so strenuous in its opposition to it. Nauru is about providing a ticket to Australia. It does not act as a disincentive for the people smugglers who are selling that ticket on the international market. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: I will give Senator Cash the call when there is silence. Senator Cash, you are quite correct in waiting. I will give you the call if it is done properly and within the sequence of the questions. Senator Cameron interjecting— Senator Cash: Would you like a death stare? Government senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order!