Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Finance and Deregulation) (14:58): I am afraid I was not able to hear the person's name to whom Senator Joyce was quoting— Senator Conroy: He usually quotes himself! The PRESIDENT: Senator Joyce, do you have a point of order? Senator Joyce: The person I was quoting was Senator Sterle. He is just behind you. He was in the Transport Workers Union— The PRESIDENT: Senator Joyce, resume your seat. Senator Wong, continue. Senator WONG: The government has made clear that families, tradies and small business will not pay a carbon price on petrol—not now, nor in the future. In relation to other aspects of the package, including— Senator Joyce: Mr President, I rise on a point of order on relevance. This question is absolutely about interstate truck companies and whether they will pay a higher price for diesel. I do not know whether the minister intends to answer that question or whether she does not intend to answer that question. The PRESIDENT: That is not part of a point of order. You did take a point of order. The minister has 30 seconds remaining to address the question that has been asked. Minister, you have 30 seconds now remaining on the clock. Senator WONG: What I was trying to assist Senator Joyce with was what the government has made clear, which is that families, tradies and small businesses will not pay a carbon price on petrol—not now or in the future—and that is a commitment relating to petrol, diesel and LPG for passenger motor vehicles and light commercial vehicles. The Prime Minister has outlined the reasons why. But, in relation to further details, obviously these will be available after the government has announced them. (Time expired)