Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Finance and Deregulation) (14:58): As I have said on a number of occasions, the government will be announcing the details of its carbon package on Sunday. I will say this: Mr Abbott at least had a rare moment of honesty last night on the 7:30 Report when he acknowledged that the coalition's commitment, which is also to a five per cent reduction, will involve a cost to the budget— Senator Joyce: Mr President, I rise on a point of order. The minister has confirmed that she is not prepared to answer the question, so everything she says from that point forward is irrelevant and you should sit her down. The PRESIDENT: That is not a point of order. Senator WONG: It is unsurprising that Senator Joyce is embarrassed by his policy and embarrassed by the reminder that he also is in a party that supports a five per cent reduction by 2020. The only difference is that their policy will cost taxpayers money and will cost the budget money. Senator Joyce, this is some $30 billion out to 2020 to make a five per cent reduction. I would be interested to know from Senator Joyce whether farmers will be exempt from spending cuts or tax hikes to fund that policy. (Time expired)