Ms GILLARD (Lalor—Prime Minister) (15:02): In answer to the member's question, can I ask her to reflect on this: why is it that Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron would have set such an incredibly ambitious target for carbon pollution reduction—much more ambitious than the bipartisan target in this country—if he believed that the statistics that the member has just used were right? Indeed, with the sister political party to the Liberal Party in the United Kingdom, Prime Minister David Cameron is embarking on this course because he sees the prospect of new jobs for his economy. Dr Jensen interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Tangney! Ms GILLARD: His economy does need those new jobs because of how it has come out of the global financial crisis, and he sees the economic opportunity of this. So I suggest to the member that she may want to get some information from the related political party in the United Kingdom about the job creation prospects that British Conservatives see from dealing with carbon pollution. In this nation, I refer the member to the— Mrs Gash: Mr Speaker, on a point of order: I am asking the Prime Minister how many jobs she thinks will be lost under her carbon tax, not the United— The SPEAKER: Order! The member for Gilmore will resume her seat. That was the conclusion of the question. There were other aspects in the question, and the Prime Minister is responding. Ms GILLARD: I was, of course, responding to the fact that UK research was cited in the question. On the question of jobs in Australia, I refer the member to the Treasury modelling which shows that to 2020 we will see 1.6 million jobs created in this country. We will see people in jobs. There is nothing more important to this government than people being in jobs. That is why we reacted so swiftly during the global financial crisis, and we were distressed to see that the opposition did not want to support the work of Australians during that crisis. It is why, as we move to a clean energy future, our focus is on jobs and the creation of jobs—1.6 million jobs by 2020. As the Minister for Regional Australia, Regional Development and Local Government has just outlined and as the Minister for Climate Change and Energy Efficiency outlined a little bit earlier in question time, there are jobs in this clean energy future. There are new jobs—jobs that we cannot imagine now but that people will do in the future. In the same way, with the information technology revolution when it first started, people would not have foreseen that there would be jobs in being a blogger; people would not have foreseen there would be jobs at an entity like Google. Dr Jensen interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Tangney will leave the chamber for one hour under standing order 94(a). The member for Tangney then left the chamber. Ms GILLARD: There will be jobs created that we cannot even imagine now, but there will also be the jobs that have been done over time over the ages—traditional jobs: jobs in steelmaking, jobs in plumbing and jobs in construction. These are very traditional jobs that will be done differently. Mrs Gash interjecting— Ms GILLARD: The member now interjects about steelmaking. Maybe she does not understand. She is voting against a $300 million Steel Transformation Plan— Honourable members interjecting— The SPEAKER: The House will come to order. Ms GILLARD: and she will be denying steelworkers in this country the support that they need. If the member for Gilmore is seriously concerned about jobs then, first, she should get across the facts about our clean energy future, and then she should walk into this parliament and vote for jobs.