Mr TURNBULL (Wentworth—Prime Minister) (14:54): I thank the Leader of the Opposition for his question and I appreciate his keen interest in penalty rates. But it is not, perhaps, as keen an interest as that of the low-paid cleaners who had the misfortune of being members of his union and who worked for Cleanevent when the honourable member, then the national secretary of the AWU, entered into an agreement with the employer which removed all of the penalty rates— Ms Plibersek interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Sydney is warned for the last time! Mr TURNBULL: for the low-paid cleaners with no compensation, so we have heard. Sorry, Mr Speaker, I must correct myself. There was some compensation. Cleanevent paid the AWU $25,000 a year. Ms Plibersek interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Sydney will leave under order 94(a) immediately. Mr TURNBULL: It also provided a list of the employees' names to the AWU to add to its membership list. Ms Plibersek interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Sydney will leave under order 94(a). The member for Sydney then left the chamber. Mr TURNBULL: Penalty rates are a matter for the Fair Work Commission to determine. Ms Butler interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Griffith will leave under order 94(a). The member for Griffith then left the chamber. Mr TURNBULL: Indeed, the only time in Australian history when penalty rates have been lowered was as a result of the review of the Fair Work laws which Labor started while the honourable member, the opposition leader, was the workplace relations minister. Mr Brendan O'Connor interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Gorton is warned! Ms Chesters interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Bendigo is warned! Mr TURNBULL: The Productivity Commission is currently examining this issue as part of its inquiry into the workplace relations framework. If you accept the premise of the Leader of the Opposition's question, penalty rates are apparently something that no-one can ever consider. This is a sort of a no-man's-land—you cannot go there, stay away! This is at odds with what his colleagues have been doing. I have mentioned his own not-especially-distinguished record on penalty rates. Consider the member for Watson and his former union, the Shop, Distributive and Allied Employees Association trade union— Ms Chesters interjecting— The SPEAKER: I remind the member for Bendigo that she has been warned. Mr TURNBULL: It has regularly negotiated changes to penalty rates, notably, for example, in the Woolworths enterprise agreement, which does not generally require the employer to pay penalty rates for weekend work. The SDA have done a deal. I note also some of the remarks on the record. I mentioned the member for Port Adelaide yesterday, but the member for Gorton was so convinced of the correctness of his attack just before Question Time he could not stop laughing while he was speaking. He could see how ridiculous his remarks were. Mr Champion: Get your facts right! The SPEAKER: The member for Wakefield is warned! Mr TURNBULL: He said in January this year, 'I am not suggesting for a moment that there aren't provisions, including penalty rates, that shouldn't be looked at.' Really, the Leader of the Opposition has got to do better than this.