Mr MORRISON (Cook—Minister for Social Services) (14:57): This government does not support double dipping. We do not support double dipping. What those opposite have made very clear is that they do and they designed the system for double dipping. Ms Macklin interjecting— The SPEAKER: The minister will resume his seat. The member for Jagajaga has a point of order—which had better be a good one. Ms MACKLIN: My point of order is on relevance. Do you still think it is a rort? The SPEAKER: The member will resume her seat. There is no point of order and she knows it. Mr MORRISON: What we have confirmed by those opposite is they designed the scheme— Ms Plibersek interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member from Sydney will leave under 94(a). The member for Sydney then left the chamber. Mr MORRISON: They designed a scheme that is producing the following results. In 60 per cent of cases, those who are currently getting a paid parental leave payment from their employer are in the public sector, working in the public sector offices particularly in this town, and those who are getting all of their paid parental leave— Mr Dreyfus interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Isaacs can join the member for Sydney if he wishes. Mr MORRISON: Then, on top of that, they are going to the taxpayer. They are actually earning 50 per cent more than those who are just getting the 18-weeks payment. What we are saying is very clear: if you are getting a paid parental leave payment over the course of when you have been in work and you have gone to have a child, then you will get that 18 weeks, which is just over about $11,500. But if you are drawing down $20,000 from a public sector employer—and that is 60 per cent of these cases—then you do not get to go back to the well and say, 'Can I have another $11,000, please, from the taxpayer?' If those opposite think that it is a fair thing that you can put one hand in the taxpayers' pocket for 20 grand and then put another hand in the taxpayers' pocket for 11 grand then you would not know fairness if it fell over you.