Mr ABBOTT (Warringah—Prime Minister) (14:34): There are changes to the pension, and they will take place after the next election. Our commitment not to change the pension in this term of parliament is absolutely honoured in the government's budget. The member who asked the question is a relatively new member of parliament and she may have forgotten what her own government did when it was in power between 2007 and 2013. What this government has done is put in place the same indexation for the pension after 2017— Ms Macklin: Not on the pension! The SPEAKER: The member for Jagajaga will desist! Mr ABBOTT: We have put in place the same indexation for the pension after the next election that the shadow minister, now shaking her head, put in place for the family tax benefit. If the indexation system is fair for family tax benefits, it is fair for other social service benefits. If it is fair for people who depend upon the family tax benefit, it is fair for people who depend upon other social security benefits. Is the member opposite who asked the question seriously saying that, on top of the $40 billion of savings measures that the Labor Party are now opposing—on top of opposing $40 billion worth of savings measures—they are now proposing to spend the extra billions and billions that will be required to restore MTAWE indexation to the family tax benefit? Is that what she is seriously saying? If she is—and, frankly, she must be if she is trying to be consistent—it just proves, again and again and again, that you just cannot trust the Labor Party with public money. They created the debt and deficit disaster which the budget that the Leader of the Opposition loves to hold up is fixing. They created the debt and deficit disaster which the budget that they love to hold up is fixing. They just have not learned. They just do not get it. They do not understand that governments, like families, cannot keep on living beyond their means. We understand this, and that is why the budget that we have brought down is right, it is fair and it will end the intergenerational theft which members opposite inflicted on the Australian public. Ms Plibersek interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Sydney will desist!