Senator AYRES (New South Wales—Minister for Industry and Innovation and Minister for Science) (15:03): Well, it's interesting. There was an article that made that assertion in the Australian Financial Review earlier this week—precisely the one that you asserted. Senator Cash interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Cash! Senator AYRES: It had to be withdrawn. Senator Cash interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Cash, I've called you to order. Senator AYRES: What we have outlined and the minister has outlined is that the amount of fuel on hand—1.56 billion litres of petrol and 2.97 billion litres of diesel—has not materially changed since the war began some 10 days or so ago. Ship movements, arrivals here in our ports— Opposition senators interjecting— Senator AYRES: I couldn't be more relevant. Senator McKenzie: Do we have to get into the trucks and drive them ourselves? The PRESIDENT: Perhaps you should drive a truck during question time, Senator McKenzie, and then at least you wouldn't be interjecting. Senator Cash. Senator Cash: A point of order in relation to relevance—programmatic specificity is not what the Australian people require. They actually require an answer to the question. Are we, or aren't we? The PRESIDENT: I do allow leaders some leniency, but that went beyond where my leniency ends. The minister is being relevant. Senator AYRES: I didn't understand what you just said, but the reserves are the strongest that they have been in 15 years. The amounts of fuel on hand have not changed substantially. Ship movements are the same at the moment, but we are not complacent. We are watching it very closely indeed. (Time expired)