Senator McCARTHY (Northern Territory—Minister for Indigenous Australians) (14:44): In the excitement of listening to everyone being an expert on farmers, I just want to reiterate— Senator McGrath: Because there are real farmers on this side! Senator McCARTHY: I'll take the interjection by Senator McGrath that there are real farmers on that side. I wonder why they have to keep asking the questions, then. Maybe it's because we know that the new leader of the Nationals once said that farmers are not the Nationals' core constituency. The new leader of the Nationals once said that. So I pick up the interjection by the member opposite. Senator McGrath: Can you name one farmer? Senator McCARTHY: See? They're not interested at all. You say you're here for the real farmers, but you don't want to hear the answers. The PRESIDENT: Minister, please resume your seat. Senator Cadell? Senator Cadell: On direct relevance— The PRESIDENT: I'm sorry, Senator Cadell; I cannot hear you. I'll wait until the chamber is respectful. Senator Cadell: Thank you for your protection, President. On direct relevance, this isn't an episode of Farmer Wants a Wife. It's 'farmer wants an answer'. The PRESIDENT: Senator McCarthy. You've finished? Okay. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Come to order across the chamber. Senator Ayres, I've called for order. I have Senator Hanson on my list, but I can't see Senator Hanson in the chamber. Is that you, Senator Whitten? If you change, it's helpful to let me know. Senator Whitten: Sorry.